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Kyosuke · Nov 03, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Oh a GW forum

Lmao... wow. So you honestly expect people to sell unided 1k ea, and not test them? Sorry buddy, but I'm not going to potentially throw way 50k just so you can stop crying because you tried to make a profit from unideds and found out most are junk.

Most people buy them for wisdom title, and me testing them doesn't effect that at all. So why don't you go throw a hissy fit somewhere else?

You have to also remember those people you see selling req. 8/9 items in towns (lots of em) for anywhere from 10k - 70k depending on the skin and people buy those things still. So yeah, if those peope test them first, they're scamming and there's alot of people who sell like that.

Even myself I got a req. 8 Zodiac sword a bit after factions came out and didn't ID it, sold it for 100k.. b/c it was the "in skin" at that moment. I didn't test it, attempt to, etc... - The guy who I sold it to got a 15 -5 with +30 HP.. but yeah..

My point is, even this 1k each thing, not everyone is buying for the wisdom track.. so testing it... is wrong.

FalconDance · Nov 03, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Agreed, Lepton and others, to a point.

I remember when people would sell UnIded gold runes (armor) for 50K+ ..... and it would never be the Sup Vigor they advertised as "try your luck" for. A lot of people were taken by the hype, though.

Cottage Pie · Nov 03, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

I fully expect the unids i buy to have been tested, and at 1k per (750 really as most sell to trader for 250+) it doesn't bother me. I normally break even though. People selling unids weps for like 10k makes me laugh though.

makosi · Nov 03, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Testing golds isn't against the rules or immoral.

1) Test item
2) Decipher whether it is worth identifying.
3) If yes: ID then salvage, or sell.
4) If no: sell for cheap in Kaineng for someone who wants the wisdom title.

Almost everyone knows that items can be tested so if you pay a fortune for one that turns out to be rubbish then don't be surprised. Nobody is obliged to buy them.

Linksys · Nov 03, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

I sometimes buy 1k unid's for the wisdom title. Sometimes I get some good mods off weapons like vamp strings and perfect staff health mods. That's an advantage to doing that.

Oh a GW forum · Nov 03, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Kyosuke

You have to also remember those people you see selling req. 8/9 items in towns (lots of em) for anywhere from 10k - 70k depending on the skin and people buy those things still. So yeah, if those peope test them first, they're scamming and there's alot of people who sell like that.

Even myself I got a req. 8 Zodiac sword a bit after factions came out and didn't ID it, sold it for 100k.. b/c it was the "in skin" at that moment. I didn't test it, attempt to, etc... - The guy who I sold it to got a 15 -5 with +30 HP.. but yeah..

My point is, even this 1k each thing, not everyone is buying for the wisdom track.. so testing it... is wrong.

No, you are the one who's wrong. If they want good items they can go to a collector or weapon crafter. If they try to be wana-be collectors by buying unided golds cheap in hopes of getting a good weapon, then it's entirely their fault. I usually sell my unideds for 1k ea, and make a profit because I get them from chests. I have though, sold req 8's for more. I make no promises of them being worth anything. Some people are happy to throw their money away on a crappy unided because they expect to make a big profit. Their own greed, foolishness, and lack of research about unideds is to blame. It's not a scam, it's not wrong.

Kyosuke · Nov 03, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

So you're saying it's wrong for people to pay 40k for an unid req. 9 and for them to expect something good possibly? That's messed up. It's nice to know that there aren't that many honest people out there..... Well, I knew that, but still it's very dishonest to seel somethng after testing it like that. So I'm not wrong, I'm right and you're being stubborn on the fact of right from wrong. Actually take a look to think about it morally and fairly and not from a criminals point of view.

FalconDance · Nov 03, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Kyosuke

So you're saying it's wrong for people to pay 40k for an unid req. 9 and for them to expect something good possibly? That's messed up. It's nice to know that there aren't that many honest people out there..... Well, I knew that, but still it's very dishonest to seel somethng after testing it like that. So I'm not wrong, I'm right and you're being stubborn on the fact of right from wrong. Actually take a look to think about it morally and fairly and not from a criminals point of view.

I think it's rather like this:

If a person pays 1K for an UnId, they cannot reasonably expect an uber weapon.

If, on the other hand, they pay 40K for an UnId thinking that the seller has "tested" it and it must be something good - only to find that it has already been salvaged in some manner (i.e. the inscrition gone) or that it is far less-than-ideal, then they have been scammed and that is wrong.

In the first, you can get lucky. In the second, your trust level will either pay off or it will be severely compromised, depending on the seller's honesty.

Eviance · Nov 03, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

So basically your blanket statement of we are "all" full of shit should just be excused because your anger was misdirrected? o_O;;; Niiiiiiiice... >_>
(Incedentally the thread started about people selling UNIded golds in which they had already removed the mods from.... Not about whether you are a scammer or not... I'm not so far off then am I? If you want to be mad at one person for calling you a scammer then so be it, but blanket statements are just begging for a torch - gotta match?)

Kyosuke I agree on those that are selling for more than 3k a pop on an unIDed that they should not be tested, but there is no way to prove this and unfortunately people are easily taken in by it.
Then again there are a few people who don't test their items or at least not to the fullest and sell them for uber cheap and you end up with something that is worth a damn but it really is rare to find those people.
The only mod I check for is a health mod unless its a VERY rare skin, which I don't happen upon to often so its a moot point.

Oh a GW forum · Nov 03, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

I think it's rather like this:

If a person pays 1K for an UnId, they cannot reasonably expect an uber weapon.

If, on the other hand, they pay 40K for an UnId thinking that the seller has "tested" it and it must be something good - only to find that it has already been salvaged in some manner (i.e. the inscrition gone) or that it is far less-than-ideal, then they have been scammed and that is wrong.

In the first, you can get lucky. In the second, your trust level will either pay off or it will be severely compromised, depending on the seller's honesty.

What are you talking about lol? If they think I tested it and know I'm selling it unided, shouldn't it be obvious it's gonna be crap? If I tested it and it was good, I would just id it... how would fooling people into thinking I tested it make them want to buy? You make no sense.

Further, as I have said, you CANT CANT CANT salvage things from an unided. That was only a very briefe bug that was quickly patched... and even so, they could already test for those mods ANYWAYS, so it's really not such a big deal as you are making it out to be. Either way, the person who paid 40k for an unided is going to end up with crap 80% of the time. My advice to them? Don't buy unideds, not from me or anyone else. Of course, if I have someone interested in buying an unided for 10-20% a req 8 15>50 value... I'm sure as hell not going to stop them.

Complexx · Nov 03, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Oh a GW forum

If they think I tested it and know I'm selling it unided, shouldn't it be obvious it's gonna be crap? If I tested it and it was good, I would just id it... how would fooling people into thinking I tested it make them want to buy?

not at all, you have all levels of players in gw's, you said: "shouldn't it be obvious it's gonna be crap?"....thats a quote in your own words a scammer...thats what a scammer does, has knowledge over someone and takes advantage of it at someone elses expense

-Complexx

AlterN8 · Nov 03, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Oh a GW forum

Um you're buying unideds... if they end up having no mods that's your own fault for buying unideds. Do you expect them all to have 20/20 and +30 mods or something? I test all my unided before I sell anyways, I guess I'm a scammer because I don't want to sell golds with valuable stats for 1k?

Yes you are. When you sell these golds to you explain to your buyers what you did? No...because if you did they wouldnt buy so what you are doing is underhanded to say the least.

Shame on you. People like you give us all a bad name.

Eviance · Nov 03, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

scam /skæm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[skam] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, scammed, scamming.

–noun 1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.
–verb (used with object) 2. to cheat or defraud with a scam.

scam (skm) Pronunciation Key Slan.
n.
A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
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scammer

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The fact remains that if you can and do test an item that you know to have great mods you CAN indeed try to salvage those mods off BEFORE you ID.
The BUG that was referred to before only made testing pointless because the popup would show what the mods were making it VERY easy to tell.

Now the current message that you are oh so adamently fighting (and I did a chest run for this god help me -_-)

meaning that INDEED you can if you have tested and know what the mod is "attempt" to salvage the mod off without IDing - it doesn't tell you no you can't it just gives a general warning so you know you are aware that it could hold value if you ID it or it could still be crap!

In the end I do not agree that selling an unIDed gold for 500g-3k for the WISDOM title, be it a stripped item or not should be concidered a scam. However trying to pass something off as more high end than it is because you have mutilated it and swindling 40k out of a person is indeed scamming. Checking the mods is one thing, stripping them is another.
As far as the wisdom title goes it shouldn't matter either way so long as you are gaining your points.

And for the record when it comes to colored armors I always get that message before I salvage and I always salvage anyways and have never failed to get the rune out. While the probability is not the same for salvaging weapons it is not impossible to pull off the mods you know to be there, however it does seem underhanded in some cases.

Malice Black · Nov 04, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Selling Unid use to be good business (well before testing became common knowledge) could get 100k for a gold unid req8 chaos axe..

Selling tested Unid's use to be frowned at but now its just common place and largly accepted.

Sir Skullcrasher · Nov 04, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

If i were the game developer to stop this madness, i would remove Gold Unid and make everything collector weapons!

I agree selling unid stuffs is good business (like a unid Gold Chaos Axe or Sephis or whatever). But the point is that this patch allowed peoples to extract the mods than sell it knowning that it has no good mod left in it. I have to agree, wouldn't you kick yourself if you didn't test out this gold longsword and it turns out to have a +30 health grip or 20/20 sundering inside it?

Lets Get to Healing · Nov 04, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

I got a 20/20 sundering bow string and a Mark +1 20% from some unid's i bought . .

guess i was ripped.

Malice Black · Nov 04, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Not everyone checks before they sell.

byteme! · Nov 04, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

If I'm gonna be selling off UNid items to some stranger for "1k" I damn well better check for good mods. It makes absolutely no sense to me why I should be selling off a potential +30 or 20/20 mod for 1k. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Besides what one does with their UNid is no ones business. The way I see it I own the UNid I have in my possession therefore I do as I choose with it. No one has any right to tell me how I should play my game. Also I would be scammed if people knowingly pay 1k in hopes of getting an UBER mod. For the people only going for the wisdom title I can relate to them but anyone dreaming of getting perfect mods for 1k need to find another sucker because I ain't one.

Sir Skullcrasher · Nov 04, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

Not everyone checks before they sell.

True, and check for sundering mod on your weapons is really hard to do unless you got the formula and know how much damage a 20/20 sundering really can do. Same goes with furious mod too.

byteme! · Nov 04, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Lets Get to Healing

I got a 20/20 sundering bow string and a Mark +1 20% from some unid's i bought . .

guess i was ripped.

That's exactly why we should check our UNid's before we consider selling them for "1k". Remeber you aren't paying a large sum of gold here. It's "1k".